So, although he does the occasional guest star role in other shows produced in Canada, he could take on a larger role on Discovery. Mary Wiseman: That experience affects her so much this season. Her body shape is fabulousshe is gorgeous. No probably not. I think Saru will just be the surrogate first officer again although he is now a captain. However, in the same interview she also talked about how some fans have not been so supportive in season three: I noticed theres definitely been an uptick in body-shaming towards me and Tilly this season, which was harrowing because Im a person, I have a history and bullying is totally a part of that. Theres a difference between celebrating obesity and accepting individual human beings, treating them as human beings, and not targeting them specifically for emotional harassment. In fact, it says far more about the body-shamers than it does about those being body-shamed. Shaming is one thing. I for one have always had to watch my weight and I still wage the battle to this day. "Hope springs eternal" was the central thesis for Star Trek: Discovery's Season 4 finale . Since season one, Tilly (Mary Wiseman). The mirror Tilly and the ISS Discovery appear in the "Mirror of Discovery" storyline in Star Trek Online, as part of the game's 9th anniversary in January 2019; she is voiced by Mary Wiseman, who also . But how the women look?! Full Circle is pretty dark in some ways. After all, it DOES seem as though Tilly is gone from the crew for the time being. That is definitely not a true statement. Barclays ticks do get really annoying. The Klingon redesign was much more than a visual reboot and especially the tech aspects dont fit canon (holographic communication, Klingon cloaking, android bridge crew, easy terraforming, state-of-the-art nanotech, Enterprise battle squad). I know a thing or two about haters-pay no mind. Weve seen a lot of big men in Star Trek but no big girls. Obesity and overweight are associated with health chronic issues by definition. They just didnt do much with him. Why wouldnt someone want to be more like that? She wrote ten books based around this concept and still writing them. I really liked her in the first season. It took me 3 seasons just to remember all their names. That however does nothing to mitigate the way Burnham has been written to be unforgivably self-absorbed throughout many of the key moments of the series. all the outfits here are golden IMO but those shoes murder! Michelle Yeoh, considerably smaller in physical stature, probably weighs around 90# [because she is allll muscle]. He also has emotional intelligence. I'm finding Star Trek Discovery to be incredibly dull and childish. Troi made explicit the evil intent lies we tell each other and ourselves to gain selfish material and political advantage. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. She makes it all look so easy. Sonequa is by all accounts probably the best or one of the best chef de compagnie of all the Trek series. There really are some of the DS9 authors that are stronger and some that tend to tell too much and show to little in their writing in my view. All Access Star Trek Podcast, Discovery, DS9, Lower Decks, Section 31, Star Trek 4, Star Trek: Picard, Star Trek: Prodigy, Strange New Worlds. Shes a little overweighed, so what? And now, with only three years under her belt in the field, From future Starfleets POV, thats 900 years! The actors are not slaves to the fans or public opinion. I even got a t-shirt that says DISCO on it, which prompts inquiries about my musical tastes of past decades when I was a twenty-something, lol. Roddenberrys imprint on Next Gen made the characters not flawed enough for some tastes, granted, but Deep Space Nine, Voyager, and Enterprise have countless examples of human foibles and emotions sure, not to the degree as Discovery, with its ship full of Barclays as one commenter put it, rhetorically. Although the last TNG with Trois mom wasnt terrible. The only thing she is qualified for at Starfleet Academy is as a 23rd century specialist. The U.S.S. What was your point to this comment, anyway, except to minimize and dismiss support for plus-size women? Great interview, Dawn. Funny enough, I have never had a problem with Wesley. No it says a lot about the incredibly dangerous message she is sending. We love that someone who isnt super fit was cast, especially that its a woman. I admit, has been a roller coaster between each season. Why is that a command level position? A rare, successful example of this is James Gunns Guardians otG and Suicide Squad, in which a similar premise is treated comedically yet with a touch of sincerity, so as not to devolve into outright farce. Typical. If that scene reflects something she regularly incorporates into her real-life, then I think she will be just fine and she can tell the haters to go pound salt. Key difference in thinking, and it makes all the difference in the big picture! That was why she was never in uniform the first few seasons. This show has disrespected the actress with poor development and no real storyline except oh hey, im awkward guys. Overweight is a risk of becoming obese. See more at the Paley Center for Media Arts' Star Trek: Discovery Fight for the Future exhibit in Los Angeles, now through July 7th. That being said, knowing what weight restrictions there are for men and women serving avoid combat ships in todays Navy, my bet would be she would need to lose some weight to preserve her shipboard assignment in todays real-world Navy. GD, what shoes is David wearing in those pics? Maybe Saru wont be on the ship as much but Im guessing they are going the same direction. Whether you choose to believe it or not, youre actually part of the problem. But the show almost seems to go out of its way every season for some of the dumbest story points you can think of. Sort of the same way Spock stayed first officer in the movies to Kirk although he was a captain for five of those films. Do I want to be Barclay or Harry Kim? She is a real girl. PS. I thought her arc was going to end with her being booted from the service for repeatedly failing physical fitness tests? The problem is, very deep into his 80s, and theres still chatter about him playing the action hero. Martin-Green says she has come to accept changes in her body, especially after the birth of her second child shortly before production on season three: With my first pregnancy I bounced back without trying (which is a crime, by the way, that we expect women to do that after birth rather than focus on healing). Finally, Starfleet isn't a military organisation or an army. the only one worth saving.. quite possibly the most irritating character in Trek history. They made an insensitive statement about her body and called her a promoter of an unhealthy lifestyle. That promise was. Smart doesnt mean competent. I hate the body shaming of actresses Theres recently was yet another fanboy arse-hat bloger who on their twitter account made an unkind comment about Mary/Tilly regarding her weight. I see those things and they hurt me because Im a person. I guess some people would rather the perfect people of TNG than anyone that mirrors back anything they dont want to see in themselves. Any accent would be acceptable for a time that hasnt happened yet. I agree, in fairness Barclay was relatable in many ways, socially awkward but not too overplayed. Fan favourite is a bit of a stretch..quite possibly the most irritating character in Trek history Although they didnt really use secondary characters wellthey still dont. But the nu left that this show panders to cant accept any opinion that isnt in agreement with it so they try to immediately invalidate it. Why did they do that? Maybe its just me, but I dont really care about women or mens weight on TV shows, I dont care for negative comments on them by haters, but neither do I care for the actors/actresses making such a whiney big deal about it. Shes magnetic. Season four of Star Trek: Discovery arrives on Thursday, November 18 on Paramount+. My point is, a lot of the shamers are probably ashamed of themselves for being overweight and project it onto others. Acceptance? I like her personality though, mostly. Its very possible Mary Wiseman wanted off the show, or needed a bit of a break. There is such a difference between having criticisms of the way the characters are written and criticizing the actors performance/craft and their leadership in the company. Not Mary Wisemans fault; the writers fault. And it all happened OFF SCREEN! (OMG, weve gone way off topic lol. I hope were able to explore it because theres potential for great levity, but then also really important conversations to be had because when you care about someone you dont want to see them go through pain, and I can see completely how Tilly will be very protective of Michael Burnham. His Voyager appearances were also horrid. There is a wealth of other outlets for health and fitness information, that frankly are more dispassionate and factual than getting health and fitness info from celebrities. Of all the issues I have with Star Trek Discovery, Mary Wiseman/Tilly is definitely not among them. Tilly (Mary Wiseman) leads the stranded Starfleet cadets to safety. Tillys anxiety got old real fast. He was competing in show jumping events with his horses until at least his 70s. Tilly is a Harry Kim, Wesley Crusher, Travis Mayweather sort of character at least for me. I let go of my preconceptions about what star trek is. Just like every other character in a show that generally is badly written. Story: With . It took this for me to finally accept who I am. Ive re-learned through life experiences how to stop and smell the roses again you might say, among other things. And others opinions dont factor in. From what Ive read, having her on the bridge because of her betazed abilities was what Roddenberry had in mind. Im not counting on it. Yes! And no one in their right mind would play poker with her. And with Troi being a betazoid, thats why she was on the bridge. Mary Wiseman: That that could be a very powerful person in the Mirror Universe. My point was Why does the ships therapist have a bridge station? The writers may love the character, but they also appreciate that the actor is a real person who might want variety in their career. Im reaally hoping season 4 will be smoother, Im holding thumbs here. And another way to look at it: at least its not another hour of tv taken by a reality show, right? Tilly once thought being captain was her biggest dream, but after a . Good for her, and I love the character! 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I look at Disco as adding a new flavor to the existing universe. Thematic darkness is fine but graphic visuals arent. Im sure many may NOT be a Janeway but could at least look at her and say thats what I aspire to be. Tilly got fat, that is inexcusable. Mention one thing or person loved by EVERYBODY. David Ajala: Yeah. The actress also discussed how Killy inspires some fans: Killy is somebody whos very important to a lot of fans, especially my curvy women out there who like to see another full-figured, fat, curvy, chunky woman get to feel powerful and use that size to command authority, said Wiseman. Imo, this show tries so overly hard to be socially progressive, its the very thing that makes it a turn-off. As an officer shes supposed to be leader. While not getting specific about if or where we will see Tilly again, Wiseman also hinted the finale was not the end of her story: Tilly is not somebody who lets people leave her life. Right!? Exactly. If we dont have tolerance and respect, how are we able to learn and improve humanity!? advantage. I never felt that what has come before should define the franchise in the future. Good for Mary! And yeah, some of us are coach potatoes, most of us certainly not gold cut supermodels. (But then she has always reminded me, her looks and bubbliness, of my cousin who just so happens to be a wonderful teacher. Rumors started when some problematic fans of Star Trek Discovery found out that she gained a few pounds between the seasons. Keep up the great work ladies! I always felt that I wanted hips and a butt. Because Book is someone who doesnt just have cerebral, intellectual intelligence. By: Laurie Ulster Not sure what her weight has to do with anything. No character like her would ever have graduated Starfleet. Wait I havent watched season 4, nor will I ever after the stupidity that was season 3 But now shes a leader at the academy?! In this week's episode of Star Trek: Discovery season four, we saw Tilly leaving her crew and heading to the academy in order to foster young minds. Tilly is part Wesley Crusher and part Barclay. I do not endorse body-shaming in any way, as I was bullied as a kid years ago. Tilly is not a perfect officer. Star Trek: Discovery currently streams exclusively on Paramount+ in the U.S. The Terra Firma arc introduced the real Mirror Universe version of Tilly (aka Captain Killy). Theres even a scene where she pretty much turns to the camera and says that shell stay till the very end. I wonder what the advertisers behind this site think of posts like this. That one ship generates more energy than present-day Earths entire human energy expenditure, generates its own artificial gravity, and violates causality routinely. And honestlyKirk wouldnt last a week in a military environment. . Even 1,000 years into the future, Burham cannotoh well, that is a different story for a different post. Maybe having had to step up to the plate before she was ready I think she intellectually knows that she didnt fail, and that its not her fault that Osyraa took the ship, she didnt have all the information, but I still think the fact that that she took command and somehow lost the ship would be an enormous blow to her confidence and make her question a lot of stuff. I would ask our family doctor, Is there anything you can give me thatll make me gain weight?'. Let's get into the details of the actress's weight gain, which has also been linked to her pregnancy. Thanks for the correction and yes that is correct. Im not the idiot fringe but her weight is none of our business (and, also, she had a baby before S3, I believe). Im sorry but what youve described about Tilly is like something out of a Nickelodeon teen high school drama. Its sci-fi, brah. The immaturity of body shaming anyone is hateful and unacceptable. Tilly appears twice in the Star Trek: Discovery season 5 trailer. When I was around 12 I used to eat peanut butter and drink Ensure, a meal replacement drink, before I went to sleep. . So sayeth Scotty, the contrarian. Saru would then recognize the potential in her, give her opportunities to build her self esteem and confidence, and wed get a good arc that doesnt seem forced like it does now. ..I have a total girl crush. My only issue with Captain Killy is that she died that wonderful red hair blonde. Thats a refreshing thing for Berman Era Star Trek, when characters tend to be more reserved and the dialogue is highly stylized and precise. Since you said mum Im going to assume youre in the UK, and I can personally confirm that you can get some great help, including face to face therapy, through the NHS, for free. All Access Star Trek Podcast, Discovery, DS9, Lower Decks, Section 31, Star Trek 4, Star Trek: Picard, Star Trek: Prodigy, Strange New Worlds. Its shall we say very variable. So I think Tilly definitely goes to employ those skills. And Books starshipthink of it as Star Treks answer to the Astro Megaship from Power Rangers in Space. I agree! All those wonderful things that dont make you a good human being. Mary Wiseman claims that she wants to inspire all the curvy women around the world with her Star Trek weight gain story. Would a woman watching this aspire to be a Tilly or aspire to be a Dax, Kira or Janeway? Btw, I really liked the scene of Tilly and Burnham running back in S1 and eating protein, carbs and fat post workout. However, if we got to see Tilly gradually improve herself. Biography I would imagine those who liked Barclay probably include a large portion of those who like Tilly. That is not anything to diss. Wiseman had other things to do. As far as science fiction most Trek shows have normal looking ppl. The accent is too colloquial. None of us are and its okay. Its been a continuing book series since 2009 and still going. Between 2011 through 2015, she attended Juilliard School's Drama Division, where one of her students was future Star Trek: Discovery actress Mary Chieffo. She is most recognized for her roles in the science fiction drama series Star Trek: Discovery on Paramount+, where she first played Cadet, then Ensign, and finally . You misunderstood. Against all odds, shes in Starfleet and thriving. All Access Star Trek Podcast, Discovery, DS9, Lower Decks, Section 31, Star Trek 4, Star Trek: Picard, Star Trek: Prodigy, Strange New Worlds. Mary Wiseman is confirmed to return as Sylvia Tilly in Star Trek: Discovery season 5, although whether she rejoins the crew or continues at Starfleet Academy and only interjects occasionally remains unknown. The moment they decided to incorporate a new character with basically the same characteristics (a young, socially awkward, but very smart ensign) they ruined Tilly. Keep up with all the news and reviews from the newStar Trek Universe on TV at TrekMovie.com. Neither she nor anyone else with common sense is celebrating obesity. Im a human being, you know? I have to agree. Oh, I think its fine they had a counselor on the SHIP; I just think its weird they had her on the BRIDGE. I keep saying this but its a great time to be a Star Trek fan again! Also the writers, Erika Lipoldt and Bo Yeon Kim. When Mary Wiseman's Lt. Sylvia Tilly left the USS Discovery for a job at the new Starfleet Academy in the fourth episode of season four, it was promised she would be back. I could watch Tilly all day! Just take a little trip down the hellhole that is a tabloids message boards and youll see the kind of body shaming of male and female actors and celebrities that exists out there. I agree 100%. Fans need to stop being rude and act like gentlemen for once. Thanks for the heads up about Beyer and the Voyager books. Mary Wiseman is a beautiful lady as is Sonequa Martin-Green. Her message was not that its okay to be overweight (and shes really not that overweight, nor should it really matter), but simply thats it okay to be her flaws and all. DSC had many issues at the beginning. Was that really a Betazoid characteristic or was she just reading faces and gestures? For someone who is supposed to care about others, shes been remarkably stuck in her own emotions. But to play the Devils Advocate here for a moment Tilly as she was originally presented and continued to be for quite some time is not something most women would aspire to be I should think. Hopefully next season they will be given more development. Also, quite likely theyre pointing her towards a bigger role in their upcoming Academy show, when she does want the work of tv again. Release date: Star Trek Discovery season 4 will release on November 18 in the US. Im glad you figured out what works for you, but Im not cool with a Star Trek board in 2021 focusing on an actors weight or appearance, especially when its a man commenting on a womans weight. I think others that make such claims are having their own feel feels hurt or nostalgia rattled. But my point was that she rarely conveyed anything useful or something that was not already obvious to all. Did Tilly on Discovery gain weight? We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. Weight gain from thyroid issues, anti depressants, steroids, is a fairly small percent of the population. Where is this? Not sure what the formal CBS/Paramount process is for publishing that kind of stuff, but the story was so detailed that I genuinely wanted to begin looking into it. Nah Book is Boba Fett and I want to see the spin-off series THE BOOK OF BOOK :-). I never thought of Adira as being all that similar, but I see your point. I expect that well have her in the world and all of those things. Regarding fans, tons of them love Tilly. It always cracks me up when people say that they hate Tilly. They should have tried to make Tilly more credible first. Not everyone is skinny and not everyone likes skinny. And over the last couple of years, so have I. Im still not fond of the gory, violent Klingon business of the first couple of seasons, but I slowly began to see DISCO anew. I like the way you think! I truly do love this show, but Burnham and Tilly are so damn annoying. What is wrong, pretty bad to read, is fans mocking the actors, it is actually very sexist, not cool. I understand the actress is very well-respected and a nice person, but I couldnt stand the Tilly character myself. If that happens, I'm betting she'll be a part of it. And if youre able to use that against someone, that could be very, very dangerous. Its could have (or couldve). The reason why Troi was on the bridge all the timewas that she was a betazoid. Mack is one of the core group of Trek authors going back to shortly before Nemesis. You are correct, it comes down to the same thing, poor plot development. And if people are critical of her because her appearance does not meet their expectations, they dont really have a clue of what Star Trek is all about. Maybe sociological issues? Well, Renos really more engineering. No, from Starfleets POV its 3 years. Background information. Being encouraged to eat only what ones body needs is another thing entirely. Sense of morals. How blandly Puritan. Proceed accordingly. Its so brutal. Keep up with theStar Trek Universe at TrekMovie.com. KevinB: I let go of my preconceptions about what star trek is.. What I should point out though is that Mack earned the moniker Angel of Death among the Litverse fans. Basically a good officer whos been in Starfleet for some years but her career stalled due to emotional and self-esteem issues. Development for the fifth season of Discovery is well underway, with production expected to begin in June. Agree. She opted that she had a different calling within the world of teaching and, in the end, she decided that she wanted to chase that feeling. I want to really like Discovery, I do. I keep reading that no character like hers should not be in starfleet, yet she is. Just when it looks like the character has finally grown as a person and doing her own thing, comes right back. They have solved some of these issues the easy way by talking themselves out of it (Klingon hair, holograms, Ariam being no android at all), now that we are in the future none of it really matters anymore. Took time to reset the franchise. :P (I know the whole thing of having a *ships* councilor is inherently different from what real therapists do on dry land, but yeah its super weird. | November 13, 2021 | Thank you for your counter opinion. I didnt like Reed from Enterprise, does that make me a troll? She strikes me as no different than Barkley. It just really doesnt fit in this show however. Having Tilly be one was justdumb. If I was a public figure I would do zero social media, ignore the internet, cash my massive paychecks, sign autographs for real in-person fans I meet, and be so thankful Im not working in a grunt job making minimum wage. The following contains spoilers from Star Trek: Discovery's Season 4 finale. Why does the therapist appear to outrank the CMO? I notice that for whatever reason certain words will trigger the language to switch to French on my phone, and then I have to go back and correct everything. And to be honest, her character has regressed significantly over the past few years. Han Van Sciver and Mary Wiseman in At the Wedding (Photo: Marc J. Franklin), Watch Wiseman and cast and crew talk about the season four finale. Make it make sense! You made very good points and I do agree. American actress Mary Wiseman payed several smaller roles in the past but recently gained a big recognition as Cadet Sylvia Tilly in new iteration of Star Trek franchise called Star trek: Discovery.
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